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Stance on Pickpocketing & Mugging | Started by: Homer on Jan 02, '20 22:27 |
It has been brought my attention that crew leaders have been asked for clarification regarding the pickpocket policy. I helped compose the original change under city leader rulings and my words still stands. Under the previous regime a set of rules were put in place, brought forth by myself and other crew leaders at that time, these rules were somewhat successfully followed. It is as such the desire of the current leadership to exercise and implement a similar ruling. A few of us have been asked for clarity regarding pickpocketing and mugging. Thus we have decided to continue with the former ruling put in place.
I hope this ruling outlines and more importantly clarifies our stance on Pickpocketing and Mugging etiquettes. I highly encourage discussions and thoughts from my fellow mafioso's. |
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Could you please be as kind to clarify if a made man pickpockets me (below made) and i mug? what would then happen to me? as i do not like anyone in my pockets. thanks kindly |
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Reply by: Kaiya at Jan 02, '20 22:29 | |
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Speaking from experience, some of our finer examples of Made Men+ have targeted associates, then pick pocketed them, followed by taunting of the associated so you feel obliged to mug in return. Then that becomes an excuse to shoot you and claim they were attacked with no consequence as you are no longer alive to defend yourself. So, prepare yourself to just take the PP and walk away as that is basically what this means. |
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Reply by: Houdini at Jan 02, '20 22:33 | |
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Sachetto steps forwards after listening to Homer 's speech. Made Men of this world do deser ve respect, that is where we definitely agree. But however the rule you’re currently proposing is in my opinion very prone to being abused. This way no young new associates of our world will be killed without them having a chance to learn about this rule and without it being abused by the Made Men of our world.
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Reply by: Sachetto at Jan 02, '20 22:36 | |
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I can only agree to what Sachetto wrote and that it should run through the respective CL first instead made men shooting. It has been as Houdini also mentioned abused in the past, without real consequences on certain people. |
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Reply by: Sabrina at Jan 02, '20 22:40 | |
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This takes away our right to defend ourselves against made+ pp'ers! stances should always be respected and respect is a two way street in my personal opinion, i will also always defend myself against unwanted violations of my personal space. |
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Reply by: Kaiya at Jan 02, '20 22:46 | |
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I’ve always believed that being a made guy means nobody should be putting hands on you. With that being said, all you associates need to start using your heads. Are you really worried over a measly 15k? Oh no, the big-bad made guy snatched you pocket change. Is that really the end of the world? |
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Reply by: Grooglez at Jan 03, '20 04:05 | |
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I do, you do, its ok but If im caught I know ill get my ass kicked. You will too. |
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Reply by: Revenant at Jan 03, '20 04:19 | |
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This...
Followed by that always makes me laugh. Do you think that more organized families would be perfectly fine with one of their earners, getting their pocket picked by some other guy in another family? Like some other soldier can walk right up to an associate under another family's protection, and shake em down for some money and they're just expected to sit there and do nothing. Add to that fact that a lot of the city leaders say they don't wanna be involved in Pick pocket disputes and it seems there's some real problems here. So the bosses are expected to just let their people's lives be in jeopardy "over a measly 15k" and just let that slide? There's also respect factor in place here. I know the money that I earned on the streets, I worked for. So if somebody just reaches in my pocket for my hard earned money, just because they have a rank that I don't I'm just supposed to say "oh well" and let it go? You just said we're the mob, what mobsters do you know are just fine with having ANY money taken from them for no reason at all and not having it returned? |
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Reply by: Rudolph_Pipilo at Jan 03, '20 04:30 | |
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Rudolph_pipilo, I'm glad you get it! That's exactly what I'm saying. |
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Reply by: Grooglez at Jan 03, '20 05:00 | |
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See? Grooglez you misunderstand the point entirely. The point isn't about the AMOUNT of money. The point is about the protection, and the message it stands. A leader can't be assed to protect their member over 15k and a "mobster" should lay down and just be fucked by another "mobster" because it's just 15k, what kinda fucking message does that send? So I'm gonna kick up my hard earnings, for a home and protection and all that good stuff and not get the protection I'm kicking up for in return because the amount? What am I kicking up for then? See you wanna make it about the amount. I'll level with you. Sure 15k ain't really shit here in this life of ours, but the message. I see that that's gonna be lost here in this conversation so it's pointless, since to you, all you can see is the numbers and the stats and all that, and that's exactly why I think it's funny when people throw out "We're mobsters" "This is the mafia" Mobsters don't let anyone go in their or their earners pockets if they're protected. Nobody is gonna want their hard earned money stolen, doesn't matter if it's 100k, 10k, or a dollar. If they can steal 15k from you what else can they steal or do? But fuck it right? It's just a little bit of shopping money.. |
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Reply by: Rudolph_Pipilo at Jan 03, '20 05:47 | |
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Rudolph_Pipilo, Ultimately, I think in matters of small petty theft, criminal organizations expect their members to be able to operate at that level by themselves. Work it out. Figure it out. Prove that you are a predator and not the prey. That you can handle the small business without bringing heat to the family. |
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Reply by: Grooglez at Jan 03, '20 06:06 | |
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You guys can argue the merits of this ruling all you like . The simple fact remains that this has been in force for a while now, its just been brought back to life since the demise of the soviet bear. We are simply honouring it and bringing it back to the forefront for every one to honour. How anyone is shocked by this is beyond me, especially those kins that have returned. Your fathers and your mothers had to abide this rule and so do you, im not sure whats overly difficult to comprehend? Whoreable put it perfectly, PUT IT IN YOUR RULES WITHIN THE WALLS OF YOUR HQ. easy, simple, job done. If YOU choose to disrespect the rank of made man+ then there will be consequences of such action. |
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Reply by: Insta at Jan 03, '20 06:14 | |
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I agree with both Homer and Sachetto on this ruling. With Homer because made men should have the respect that they deserve. The CL has given them trust within the crew to accept them as part of the family, and this should be shown through giving them responsibility of their own actions. They don’t need “babying” by the CL on all matters, especially regarding pp disputes. That being said, I also don’t think the made man should go above the CL and be able to shoot his/her gun around without consequence or conscience. This is where I agree with Sachetto. If a made man wants to mug after a pp, then go ahead. However, taking another’s life should be something that is done with calculated thought rather than in cold blood of the moment. This should be discussed with the CL beforehand who can make a decision based on the evidence presented. |
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Reply by: Nebula at Jan 03, '20 09:15 | |
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QueenFrostine steps forward to speak. "Honestly, I think that there should be a time frame on shooting the mugger. I mean, we have time frames on how long we can mug after, why not make it even? I don't think crew leaders shouldn't really be involved unless there is a pattern or a trend of someone taking advantage of this." |
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Reply by: QueenFrostine at Jan 03, '20 19:37 | |
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For some of us, $15K is a lot of money and it's something I have to work very hard to obtain. I cannot peruse the streets as my ancestors once did, so every transaction is important to me. Take that for what it's worth.
That being said, I agree that Made+ should have the leeway to do as they see fit. But being wife mafiaso, they also need to understand that people hold grudges. Associates do not stay associates forever, and the abused dog never forgets. |
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Reply by: Yeetzi at Jan 03, '20 20:03 | |
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Actually, this is news to me and I need more clarity. So this ruling is universal and trumps individual city rulings? I ask because it seems some of the upper structure aren't completely on board with this. Which, in my opinion, is kind of sloppy to propose such a thing without a consensus. |
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Reply by: Kessler at Jan 03, '20 20:16 | |
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The way I am tracking this, is that the rule stands. The upper structure has more important issues to deal with than a measly 15k. If you don't want to risk getting shot, then stick to PP other associates and CA's. Or better yet, associates can rob the graves of the dead and can potentially make the same 15K, and it's completely safe.
However, on the flip side, I would suggest that the Made+ member get in touch with their respective CL or RH and find out where they stand on this issue. Find out what is expected of you in that respect and act accordingly. |
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Reply by: Randall at Jan 03, '20 20:32 | |
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After hearing all the discussion Sachetto thought he'd chime in to the discussion one more time, he still questions the actual validity of this rule, because wouldn't this require Made Men to respect Capo's (and so on) using the same concept? And if you do apply this; how do you take into account youngsters in positions of power? Say a Wise Guy is a Left or Right hand? Would they fall under the same concept Homer ? I think it is vital to have this all figured out; before applying a super vague rule in our land. Maybe those that are in favor of this rule chime in? Whoreable Insta After delivering these words the Witcher left to find a new job to embark on. |
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Reply by: Sachetto at Jan 03, '20 22:29 | |
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For some of us, $15K is a lot of money and it's something I have to work very hard to obtain. I cannot peruse the streets as my ancestors once did, so every transaction is important to me. Take that for what it's worth. That being said, I agree that Made+ should have the leeway to do as they see fit. But being wife mafiaso, they also need to understand that people hold grudges. Associates do not stay associates forever, and the abused dog never forgets. - Yeetzi |
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Reply by: Grooglez at Jan 03, '20 22:36 | |
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