Kip... no proof? RichardWad admitted it HIMSELF that he was going to shoot at a Chicago Leader - there's your fucking proof!

The truth of what went on? RichardWad refused to step down, he then went to start shooting at Chicago leaders. There's the truth, and for your information it has already been said.

Nothing to do with you? You were in his family, everything he does reflects on you and vice versa. You agreed just like everyone else in his family that you were with him until death, so if you're looking for someone to blame for your death - Blame RichardWad. His actions brought the death of his entire family, nobody else.

I woke up this morning to a standard morning in our world, got ready for a day of hard graft and by the time I made it into work I find a NY family had been taken down, at the time I had no idea why Don Wad had been dealt with, just that it was done.

After hearing the information from certain people in this debate I would like to say well done to Godmother Whatsername from avoiding an incident that could have led to a full blown city war and a thankyou for acting so swiftly that no harm could come to Don Drexler and anymore of Chicagos people.

This is exciting.  I feel some hair pulling and "taking my ball and going home!" is now in order.

*Frank snatches his ball off Obs3rvant1*

Thats it!! Im going home!!

Thankgoodness Drexler wasn't harmed. That little guy has always kept me entertained

I have tried to sit here quietly and just listen to the crowds uninformed opinions but its starting to grate on me. So just a few points I want to make before retiring back to civilian life. Dear me, where to start.

Firstly Whatsername wanted Don RichardWad to step down because of Big_Meechs rogue. Which as we explained to her was not Dicks fault. Dont you think that if the rest of the crew agreed with Big_meechs actions we would of all joined in and had a wave of shots rather than a pretty poor rogue. Prem it was not Dick that took Meech's gun, he was not online so you cant blame him for not being able to HQ him. The only person online at the time was our LHM, who as you know only has the ability to "Take Gun". By the time Dick knew what was happening he had bought out.

Upon realising this herself Whatsername then apoligised to Dick infront of the whole NY leadership in their favourite coffee shop. Shes a fair women and admits when she gets things wrong which I admire.

Yeh i admit we wanted to fire a few shots off at Chicago, bring at bit of pride back to NY. But theres a huge difference between wanting to do something and doing it. My father and Dick were sat Pro'd for 4hours and didnt fire a shot. Dont you think that if we wanted to do something we would of done it and not simply waited until our pro runs out. Because we assumed things were safe, i mean why shouldnt we. Roman had said he was cool with Dick and Whatsername had apoligised for her earlier outbreak. We were quite prepared to go back to our normal life.

People have spoken of a lack of loyalty to ones GodMother, but do the GMs not need to return the favour. I see tonights events as a massive stab in the back from the city that my crew worked so hard for. Yeh fair enough take out Dick, myself and the LHM but why take down the whole crew. Do these people that have worked so hard for you deserve to die in their sleeps because of actions they knew nothing about. Pathetic.

I will leave now, just want to say Well Done to Chicago, you have successfully monopolised this world of ours, there is nobody in your way now. I also want to say i feel sorry for the rest of New York, it wont be long before you all wake up to cement shoes and your GodMother will do nothing about it. I have been in multiple coffee shop meetings where Whatsername has been all too quick to jump to "I'll just retire" whenever things look the slightest bit difficult. I have nothing personal against her but she cannot run a city.

Thank you and goodbye to all of those that have worked with my father Datsik over the days.

Well done lavalamp, you have proved to me yet again how moronic you truly are. I too have friends who listen at the coffee shops. How does this not sound like a crew waiting to attack people? Hardly the actions of just one man, and more than enough justification for his death...

[08:55] < RichardWad> Scarin told me to step down, people didnt want me to so I refused.
[08:55] < RichardWad> No lies
[08:55] < RichardWad> So I knew I was gonna die
[08:55] < RichardWad> Drex was only target
[08:56] < Jin> we had just got shots lined up as well.

The whole crew? If you actually knew anything, which you don't, you'd know it was only Made man and above that were removed for the reasons which I have stated numerous times already.

Your crewleader fucked up, I suggest anyone feeling hard done by grows the fuck up and understands this is the way things go. You signed up to that crewleader, and he brought about your death.

Damnit!  Forgot to put the bet on someone claiming a city was running everyones lives.  Not that the 1/.00000000000000000000000000000001 odds would have made me much money, but the principal, damnit!

Honestly as DeadlySin and i have both said, everyone can stand here and say they were wrongfully killed, but the Leader, the rhm and the lhm have all said Yes we were going to kill drexler and then try to kill more Chicago members.

It doesn't really matter what debate you put up, because the fact will remain the same, you all admited you wanted to do it, were going to do it and were in the process of doing it.

Are you mad because you realised how badly you fucked up, or are you mad you didn't get to kill a Chicago member.

Whatshername did what a good leader and godmother should do, she put the safety of her city, her morals, and her respect first, and didn't let herself be played for a fool by a bunch of selfish morons.

Only made man and above aye? Interesting, what do you call these then?

I'm sure if those were my people in the obit, you wouldn't be so upset, now would you

lavalamp you should know that unfortunately people on protection list will die. Before you say it just because there isn't a protection list in the streets it doesn't mean that one has not already been sent round by the Crew Leaders.

I'm not upset Premeir, just responded to DeadlySin who was quite certain that only Made men and above died, just wanted to correct his "moronic" statement.

Ok Gian, fair enough, if a protection list has been sent round thats good. Just seems people should be sticking to it.

"I pity the fool that has brown stains on their nose!"

Viagra takes a step forward in a somewhat confused manner.

"Wow, I seem to have taken one of my regular trips to the future and copied a famous persons catchphrase. Anyhoo, my two cents on the matter (yes I know you're all dying for it). Strictly from a person who doesn't bother socialising with the circles that are formed upon the higher echelons of our society, it seems that Whatsername has acted for the good of New York. The offspring of Mr Wad has come out and claimed 'RUMOURS, RUMOURS, RUMOURS', and yet Premier has given us the shorthand notes of a reporter that states Wad had his target on one Drexler. All in all, I think Whatsername has acted in the best possible way. However, will we receive the whole 100% truth from both sides of the story? Doubtful."

You got word of our plan to attack? Bullocks.

When Marley went Rogue, you contacted RichardWad with the mindset of him stepping down. After discussion in the leadership room, you apologized to Wad, Datsik, and myself. Well, we called it the moment it happened. You wanted RichardWad to expect it was over and go to sleep. Well, you knew that he had taken a pro. And you knew when it ran out.

You "Went to sleep" and, coincidentally, woke up around the same time his pro ended. It wasnt until we were all dead that we said what we had planned in the coffeeshop. And to be frank, there was NOBODY ONLINE AT THE MOMENT WHO KNEW WHAT WAS PLANNED TO TELL YOU. Space was on, I was on, Datsik was on, And RichardWad was on. Who could have said anything? You're full of shit Brandy.

Well, all I can say now is nice shot, and goodluck in running your city. Ever since Dean stepped down New York has gone to hell, and it's your fault.

Just to add to LavaLamp's list:

as the LHM of a Chicago family, of Drexlers family. I can 100% guarantee that ALL our members have recieved a protection order, and considering it was OUR leader you were looking at taking a shot at I think you should be VERY fuckin grateful we have it out.

Mr. Not here to play,

It's fine that you keep shouting and yelling that there is no way WhatsherName could have know about an attack, so i will say again since you and lavalamp keep avoiding it.

If there was no attack planned, then why did Wad, his rhm and lhm all fully admit there was an attack plan and they had just lined up pro wacks?

You keep avoding the only question that matters.

When did his RHM admit there was an attacked planned? I said we took pros because things looked fishy when Big Meech rogued. This was a defensive move not offensive.

I love how when it benefits a crewleader or city that is when the actions of a CL reflect on their members. What about SpacePole? He was actively attacking against New York and St. Louis, and whoever else was on our side in that war. What happened to his made men? They survived, for the most part. I know of at least one or two of them that are authed currently. And they're doing just fine, now aren't they. I haven't seen any of them killing my members, or your members, or whatever.

So why Richard's made? So don't give me that high and mighty bullshit that when a crewleader falls his made men fall too. If you want to respond with an answer, do it, but don't fucking blatantly bullshit. If you don't want to respond, that's fine too, your prerogative.