Tell me Mr ManicDepressiveStreetWalker...

Your reality is that you worked for a blight on these streets and instead of being ashamed, revel in the status of a scumbag's lackey.

 But now you're in Philly, where you will, ahem, fit right in.

Do you really think that calling out the Acting Godmother of Philly YET again is really a recipe for your continued success?

That's the leader, the example setter.

 That is fucked.

 So what the fuck is going on in Philly?

 What the fuck's going on where someone comes out and instead of attacking the person attacking them, instead attacks their city?

I suppose, yet again, this is a symptom of your disease.

So, dear boy, explain to me what the fuck is going on in a city where *the leader* breaks universly held normative rules (and they are universly held for a reason) and says "oops, sorry".

PLEASE GET HELP!

NOW!

Interesting to see how Manic's original speech has transformed into a bitching fest about now dead people, underground groups and who had what BG kills. Personally i don't give a fuck, who's bloodline done what and group existed. They died and their next of kins have moved out. That's how things have always been and how they always will be. We need to move on and look at the present, EvilClown is nothing like his bastard BG shooting father, he is respectable and doing a fine job running Generation Terrorists, which is testament to Godfather Alabama giving him the chance to shine and prove the doubters wrong. So far, so good.

As for the topic at hand.

"The obits are the place to pay the respects to the dead and to mourn in a civilized manner. The streets on the otherhand are here to debate and air views and opinions, within reason. If you don't like it, don't listen to it or do something about it. Some people really need to desensitize themselves"

Well said Jax.

Debates will always be rife and i am all up for it. I'd just like to remind people to remain respectful and things will be just fine. :)

ok ok.

I take back what I said, lets not make it all about philly.

How about we make it about the person who started the speech.

I'm gonna take you up on that bet of yours.

1 mill of mine to 1 of yours that Mikey is still alive in 48 hours.

PUT UP OR SHADDUP.

Talking shit about Philly? Between your insane banter and the interference in the Vegas Experiment, I'd say you should worry about the recent stains on your own city's reputation.

With comments like that i'd be happy to take that bet TinThomas.

Yes Pharol, it was far too vague.

Why would you include that in your speech? Maybe doing some fucking research before opening your mouth? It's called COMMON SENSE. You only have to ask around or... just pay attention to know that Canucklehead and Las Vegas had problems with Manic's bloodline.

There is an old adage...

Engage brain before putting mouth into gear.

Our loyalties lied with each other yes, but how do you know that some of the leaders then (and even some now) were not part of our organisation? Would it not be a smart move of a leader to have moles in other cities and other families? How do you know we weren't working for one of the main powers? It's quite simple... You DON'T. You make assumptions based on heresay and what your blood's friends/family told you.

My statement was relevant because it might wake a few people up in the way that they won't believe everything those in power tell them all the time, only the figures were not important but I decided to print them anyway. Whether you give a fuck or not is irrelevant as I was merely stating that the old regime were not as honest as the leg humpers believe and seeing as though it was the old regime that despised that group the most, a lot of people will have formed their opinions from what they were told. Did you REALLY not grasp that? Are you really that stupid? Can you not read between the lines?

I have no problem with healthy debates, I have a problem with people being disrespectful to people who aren't here to defend themselves. In actual fact, you are being a coward by bringing it up now, now that they are dead and have no way to reply. Yes Jax, the funeral is a place to mourn and respect, but there is no need to disrespect the dead ANYWHERE.

The core values of the mafia lie along the lines of honour, loyalty, RESPECT. It's not about being sensitive, it's about conducting yourself in the proper manner. Maybe you could learn a thing or two about it.

Pratster, what about the NUMEROUS conversations that have taken place about Manic's bloodline when he hasn't been around to defend himself?

They're ok because they're about someone you don't like, right?

TeQ, as I said, I don't know what Manic's bloodline is supposed to have done, and I'm not bothered in the slightest. I judge people on what they are doing or have done, not what their father did, or their grandfather.

The difference being, anything said about Manic in here, he IS here to defend himself and I don't imagine for a second he wouldn't. Canucklehead isn't here, she has no way of defending herself. THAT, is my point.

"Make assumptions based on hearsay"

What else can I make assumptions on? Hell, you JUST SAID to "ask around", but wouldn't that be hearsay? Maybe I should do some research, or maybe I could just stick to not contradicting my own words in my responses. When a group of individuals are deliberately shady about what they do, why does it bother you when people make assumptions about their intentions and activities?

As to "leg-humping", "arse-kissing", and "dick-sucking"; is that the way you refer to being a loyal member of a family? The reason I said I don't give a fuck is because I never asked anyone how many BG kills you had, so the information was pointless to me. You got killed over it. So what? Why the hell would I question the reasons a BG-killer was shot, when even YOU admit to slaying BGs. The details of the reasons don't matter, and that's why I never asked for the reasons behind their deaths, and was never lied to.

I don't give a shit about disloyal assholes. I don't care if the old regime lied about the degree of disloyalty you displayed. It has nothing to do with "believing everything they say", I just didn't fucking care. I didn't hump anyone's legs, I just earned and worked for my boss. If that's "leg humping", then I don't really care, as your shit bias extends to anyone who shows loyalty to their boss.

Canucklehead's blood will NO doubt be around somewhere. If they wanted to defend themselves, they could and would.

It's not about their blood being around to defend their mother, grandmother, whatever. Canucklehead is dead, she isn't here and has no way of defending HERSELF. Manic is here to defend himself. How are people failing to understand? It's a simple concept to grasp.

Basing your speeches on things you hear and things you actually go and research would be totally different. By researching you gauge a wider range of opinions and end up coming out with more information than you would by just listening. It's quite simple really.

No, that is not what I refer to as being a loyal member to a family. Those comments are directed at the sheep. Those who believe everything they hear and form their opnions on that of others. You can be a loyal member of a family and have a brain of your own, you know? Yes, yes... we know you don't give a fuck, you keep saying (and keep mentioning it, which is surprising for someone who doesn't give a fuck). I never uttered a word about my blood dying over this issue... it has nothing to do with the point I was making, you're just (again) putting words in my mouth. All I said was that the old regime lied a lot and fed their minions their bullshit and then I gave an example. Believe it or not... there's not only you and I in this discussion Pharol, I was merely pointing it out for anyone else listening in.

Not failing to understand Pratster, just don't care for your sensitive attitude. It is a thing that killed off these streets for... well, let's just say a very a long time. Who gives a flying.... if she's around to defend herself, her children are more than capable of it.

There are plenty of people that have been spoke about long after their death. I'm sure Roman and Premeir will be spoken about a few months down the line and they won't be around to defend themselves, will you be so quick to jump to their defence when that time comes? I think not.

MSP shared his bloodlines personal view on Canucklehead and her reign. At no point have I said I agree nor disagree with them, so to call me a coward is a bit insensitive. Its ok though I won’t take offense or have my feelings hurt, i’m a big boy and can handle it. And of course that is your opinion and your entitled to it. Out of curiosity though, i’d interested to see you point me to one instance where you feel i’ve been a coward. As i’m sure you won’t find any

My honour, loyalty and respect lie with my family, my boss, my city and the people who have earnt my respect. Why should I go about respecting every tom, dick and harry who I don’t know from adam, thats not to say i’m not civilized and happy chappy. I think you’ll find every person who has spoken to me and got to know me can vouch for my conduct and professional. I like to make sure my long johns are clean each morning and I say my ahems at night

Also, shouting respect at me, doesn’t get your point across any more than it would in speaking in a civilized manner. Just wanted to point that out

Jax

The simple fact is Canuckleheads line will be remembered for the great things that she has done for this community. Kuklinski, I'm sorry, Manic, will be remembered for being nothing more than a third class shit stirrer.

We all leave legacies, thank god some leave good ones and not foolish ones like yours kuklinski

Why's that Thor?  You gonna kill me?  Wouldn't that break the rules of the LV experiment?  I guess if it didn't matter yesterday, it won't matter today.  My cousin gave much of his life to free the so-called "terrorists". He'd do it again even though they ended up killing him.  Since the "terrorists" are free to do what they please once again, I'll devote my time to Vegas.  Helping the Gentle Giant known as Slaughter.  We're working through the alphabet. 

aldflainue, yes... Canucklehead's line will be remember for the great things she has done for the community... by some people.

Others will remember her for... let's just say... other things. Canucklehead lineage is not as saintly as you preach buddy.

If you give me enough reason to, yes Mikey. Throwing accusations and insults at my city when your own city is in it's current position isn't exactly a smart move.

Do whatever you need to bud.  I'm just glad we don't live in a place where your entire family can be banned anymore.  I'd give my life for that again and again.  I'm not such a bad guy.