Scout glances over all the bickering and arguments, tossing a ball up and down with his left hand, while the right clutched his trusty, but slightly dented, base-ball bat. The young man, after finally able to sort through all of the talking, throws up the base-ball and smacks it across the area with a perfected swing. The crack echoes out as the ball sails out to god-knows-where. Scout then peers over everyone, lending onto his bat.


Right, yeah. Just to make everything short and sweet.

From now on, you come to Las Vegas, trying to set up your own crew, and not discussing the entire matter with us first? There won't be a very warm welcoming. Right now, we're settled in nicely, and we're all working together for unifying Las Vegas under one banner. If other people start showing up with their own agendas, that isn't going to fly, understand?

We issue a message to everyone else, as a warning. Yeah, I'd go to say that we're effectively locking down Las Vegas. Sure, you can still come on over and buy that fancy building, but you'll most likely be seeing our boys not long after.

Now, so far, the latest two moves were welcomed and planned. After this, we close our welcome because we're at four crews now, and once we finally have a Godfather, that will leave us with five crews. A bit of a problem, but we will work it out with the Godfather Council.

If people want to come shoot at us, space-pole, their chances are much slimmer now, while we're organized and together. If you think you got a shot, by all means, try.

If anyone has any more questions, feel free to discuss them here or talk to me, personally. Which ever suits you best.

Scout, if you read properly, the statement was to show what a poor decision it was to come to the streets with such an uninspired speech, one that would only cause more trouble for the city you reside.

I never once questioned your organising capabilities but while were on the subject I will. Let me break this down, in every aspect of this world, Las Vegas is small stacked, there is no denying that fact. As a city you do not have the shooting capability, you do not have the protection status that other cities offer and simply being in Las Vegas you offer a massive target over all of your heads because of the current project that LV offers. This goes for those "organising" skills you preach, simply put you haven't had the time to build what a city of great respect would and a highly doubt if there was outside influences allowed, that you would last past a first wave.

Which further emphasises my initial point that, it was a silly and thoughtless speech to make, one that will only offer you more hassle on in time, as I believe, will be a death warrant. Let's face it, if this is a stand that the city of Las Vegas wants to take, then I applaud the effort yet somehow I struggle to see how offering this to the mafia world was a necessity. Thus a silly statement to make.

space-pole, this is the beauty of starting a city from the ground up.

As long as outside influences does not effect Las Vegas, then we will be given the time to flourish, train our guns and purchase the protection we require to maintain a foot-hold in the country. As of now, we have plenty of time for us to build up before a Godfather is claimed over Las Vegas. If the Council holds true to their word, and provided that Las Vegas as a city does not warrant anything that might break the rules set-forth by the Council, then I believe we will not have to worry about thing other than people attempting to set up in our city with hostile or unknown intentions, in which we can easily handle those sort of attacks. We have not broken the rules given to us by the Godfather Council, so I don't see where a looming threat is awaiting to wipe us out.

I also do not see how you proclaim for this to be a death-warrant. We are warning everyone that Las Vegas has a current group of unified leaders that are willing to work together in order to progress and surpass the old regime as a whole. We will not take kindly to those who share different ideals and goals from us, which is perfectly in the rules of the game. We are allowed to use anything within Las Vegas to take and maintain control, even if it means by shooting people who attempt to set up a crew within our boarders without our approval. Death was the risk we had to take when the first batch of crew-leaders first set up in Sin City. Only one of those remained, and that was Sgt_Slaughter. The rest that have came were discussed to him and were welcomed with open arms. Now that we have reached four crews, we believe that it is best that if people desire to work in Las Vegas, they should join one of the families that are already established.

Laugh out loud

That is laughable at best pal. All thos rules apply under normal circumstances, which my friend is not a luxary you can afford.

Well, time will tell on your great story about withstanding any attack that doesnt come from outside influence. Dissolutional is a word best to describe your attitude towards this, i think you underestimate the task that lays ahead of you.

Ofcourse you have every right to reject a crew setting up, but again you miss my point, the initial speech, statud that LV doors will be closed, which was then later twisted to say, what you are now preeching.

I bid you good luck, god knows you will need it. im done with you.

Actually I think The Issue Has Been cleared up theres no need For Explanation anymore.Any One Who wants to work with us will be welcomed.

I stand by my original statement that that this is a naive, ill conceived speech to make at this moment in time, given the current position of Las Vegas. One thats full mixed messages from all parties of the current LV hierarchy. But I get the point, I know what your insinuating. The doors are closed but ‘officially’ their open to tow the party line, and any undesirables will be met with a scowl and a grimace

Irrelevant of whether there is any outside interverance resulting from any takedowns.  All it takes is for a decent hitter with nothing more than a VWP status, a pro-wacker or two in hand and they could easily wipe out Las Vegas without so much as breaking sweat to claim the city for themselves, and I very much doubt you’d have the firepower to prevent it happening. You wouldn’t have the time you need to flourish, establish and train up. Whether they last much longer after that is beside the point  
By all means, feel free to throw up an acting Godfather with families in all four corners of the city, its the noble thing to do. That doesn’t excuse the fact that you’re merely nothing more than squatters until that day the gun shots ring out and someone is challenging for Godfather who can then call the shots and truly close the city if they so wish

I struggle to comprehend what you was hoping to achieve coming out today with this. Las Vegas was on the right track, its admirable to see it grow at the rate is has done. The smart thing to of done was to keep on with the good work in the background and to not bring unwanted attention onto yourself.... until the day you have the means and resources to back up your words. Because at the moment you haven’t. All you’ve managed to do today is to show your hand and give the people with the desire and inclination even more reason to take you out. Should they so wish

I wish you the best of luck

Jax

Jax-, I don't think it would be an easy task for even a good gun and a very well protected one to wipe out the current organized city of Las Vegas. It's very possible but certainly not an easy task if that gun is jumped on right away as you can only move with 2 Hands and they wouldn't have time to build more of a crew. Of course this is obviously a risk the people in Las Vegas are willing to take. To you it may seem stupid but to me it's commendable to see them make this move which drastically increases their chances of survival in my opinion. There was nothing stopping a big gun with some protection from stepping into Las Vegas and wiping out the competition before. At least now they face a challenge if they choose to try and do so.

Space-pole I think you might be the "dissolutioned" one here. You keep comparing Las Vegas to other cities and it's an invalid comparison. Why? Because Las Vegas has the protection of the Godfather Council which essentially puts it under the protection of the other cities. They don't have to stack up to the other cities as long as they're under control of the Godfather Council and they keep their dirty laundry in house.

Again it amuses me to see some of the reactions to the announcement from Las Vegas. How quick some are to almost demand them to fail. While their success is tenuous at best it seems rather naive on the part of some people to write them off so quickly and completely despite the fact that they have shown the ability to unify and have shown enough cleverness to find a way to use the rules to help protect themselves. If nothing else they should be respected for actually doing something other than sitting in Las Vegas looking at each other and waiting to die.

I think Jax means if someone with a decent brain went to vegas with his/hers two hands to Pro him or a plan similar to that then it would'nt be too difficult to take out the Vegas top brass.Blurarsky nobody is writting anyone off just pointing out some flaws in this announcement and too why this has put vegas under a tad more pressure drawing more attention to themselfs. In my opinion this announcements has put Vegas in somewhat of a disadvantage, and nobody asked them too just sit and look at each other either.

blurtasky, how do you see me as "dissolutioned" im only stating facts about the city and state that they are currently in. Granted they do bare a different set of rules as other cities but for most parts they operate as a "normal" city would.

Im not just getting at the city for the sake of doing so, i simply said i thought it was a bad move to announce such a bold statement. Especailly with that tasks that face any family in that city.

It was agreed no outside influence, not so much "protection", i know of an instance were this rule was bent and outside influence was used, so is it a subjective rule that allows it to be used as and when. So this protection you speak of isnt as water tight as you may think.

Anyhow, for third time i bid you all good luck, you will need it, as will anyone who joins LV.

it is a bold statement indead space-pole one i personally didnt think was needed.and also i think you'll need to bid some folks entering LV good luck more than three times ha

agreed.

The rule wasn't bent. There was an incident where Las Vegas didn't keep their dirty laundry to themselves and, instead, threatened another city. So that city stepped in and preemptively removed that threat. I would expect nothing less from any other city. However as long as Las Vegas abides by the rules they are protected. Protected from any individual leader that might want to send his friend out to Vegas so they take it upon themselves to scorch the Earth in front of that friend. It's as water tight as the Godfather Council's word is. To say it's a rule that can be "bent" is to say the Godfather Council will not live up to their word. I have faith they will.

Thats not the incident i was referring too, not even close as a matter of fact. Putting words in my mouth, nice one. i have every confidence and was infact part of the whole process.

Thank you for the debate. I bid you good day.

"From now on, you come to Las Vegas, trying to set up your own crew, and not discussing the entire matter with us first? There won't be a very warm welcoming. Right now, we're settled in nicely, and we're all working together for unifying Las Vegas under one banner. If other people start showing up with their own agendas, that isn't going to fly, understand?

We issue a message to everyone else, as a warning. Yeah, I'd go to say that we're effectively locking down Las Vegas. Sure, you can still come on over and buy that fancy building, but you'll most likely be seeing our boys not long after."



You're basically saying that if someone wants to set up in Vegas like they have every fucking right to do, that they should get some locals before hand and set up with a bang? The current leadership can change with the pull of a trigger from a mediocre gun. Do you really wanna push your luck?

thats what i was thinking JohnSmith putting pressure on themselfs for no reason. Alot of people could be tempted just to waltz in and test that metal of their bold words when as you said...they have no fucking right

sorry to rephrase i meant people have every fucking right to set up there

I'm not putting words in your mouth, space-pole. You said you know of an instance where the rule was bent. I'm simply pointing out that the rule will not be bent if the Godfather Council lives up to their word. I'm apparently not aware of this incident you speak of where the rule was bent but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen. If it did I'm not so sure I'd be out here telling people I was part of the process since it calls into question the integrity of the whole process.

Lola leans back on her heels, sucking her breath through her teeth and slowly whistling it out again. She steps forward.

I'm a little surprised that the squabbling continues here despite the fact that a member of the Godfather Council has already spoken and those now attempting to rebuild to Las Vegas have clarified their intentions several times.

In my opinion, what they are seeking to achieve is not at all naive. They are making their first tender attempts at progress in a city which requires a colossal amount of commitment. Rather than sitting on their behinds, they are already proving themselves to be proactive and highly communicative; in what universe are these qualities to be perceived as anything else but those of leaders?

I will concur - with respect to those leading Las Vegas into a new era - that the initial statement was perhaps a little ambiguous. However, as anyone would like to expect, they came forward and made their intentions crystal clear. There is no debate over whether rules have been broken; as I already said, Godmother Worley's presence is testimony enough to that fact.

Would it be so unthinkable to reserve hasty judgement until such times as Las Vegas has found her feet? Can't we accept that this is precisely what HighSociety et al are trying to do, and let them get on with it, at least until any negative judgements have some sort of evidence to back up their claims?

There are no 'red flags' here, nor are these men dangling carrots above the noses of those who may be tempted to make a move on their efforts. Such accusations are entirely unfounded and, as is so common on the Streets, inflammatory.

The only flag I see is that of Las Vegas, tentatively pitched at full mast now that the city holds several families and is ready to move forward and join the rest of us in This Thing Of Ours.

Where is the honour - remember honour, anyone? -  in trying to tear it down before it even flutters in the wind?

If by closing the city doors are the only way to allow Vegas to come into a new and for a Godfather to rise and join it so be it.

It shows great initiative and courage, two things admired in leadership. With having four families in the same city and one Godfather spot we'll see if greed doesn't play a role.