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What did I do now? | Started by: Feowyr on Jan 05, '22 06:26 |
So I had a post I put up and got a mail from a helper who I would think is the #1 source for forums and what should and shouldn't be there. It was suggested I make a change to avoid problems. I reposted just as suggested but now its gone again! Thinking about it Im damned to find any reason it would be taken down. I mean I had the expert on forums (IMO) advising me. |
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If your post was removed you absolutely should have recieved a mail. Especially if you posted the topic. Who's the culprit! | |
Reply by: Pablo at Jan 05, '22 06:36 | |
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Ive actually seen several posts get pulled with no explanation finally figuring out what it was by trial and error |
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Reply by: Feowyr at Jan 05, '22 07:23 | |
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Small bit of advice, maybe mail helpdesk with enquiry about your issue next time instead of making a post in the forums to find out what you did wrong. I'm assuming your referring to your Katvayin post? As I see you posted this again 30 minutes ago. This is the same post you made when under another username, you cannot re-use your material as if it's a new post. You didn't even change anything from the original post. Another user saw your efforts and reported it for being a repost of an earlier thread. https://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/1444733#22169001 That is your original post under the other username. The one you made again 30 minutes ago is going to be deleted in a moment. I hope you now understand that you cannot repost the same content as your previous character and expect to receive rewards on your current character for what is essentially plagiarised work. |
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Reply by: Warrior at Jan 05, '22 07:47 | |
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Plagiarised is a bit harsh, it's just copied and pasted. You can't plagiarise yourself. | |
Reply by: GunHolder at Jan 05, '22 10:55 | |
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Gunholder you are correct, you can not plagiarize yourself but it is against the rules: https://mafiareturns.com/Rules.php
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Reply by: Jen at Jan 05, '22 11:40 | |
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I get you. The act of plagiarism carries a greater stigma and I'm guessing is a far greater punishable offense than copying and pasting your own work, so I only felt like pointing out the word was levied against him incorrectly. Even if it was qualified with 'essentially', you can't slap someone and call it 'essentially' a murder. That's all I wanted to say, no argument here that he didn't break the rules. |
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Reply by: GunHolder at Jan 05, '22 11:47 | |
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The way I look at it to avoid that quagmire mentally is that the words were written by George, and now John is saying them again. From a character perspective it is plagiarism as long as you remove the real player from the equation. Which is the best way to do it as HelpDesk accounts & Sweeper accounts do not have access to user information. |
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Reply by: Jen at Jan 05, '22 11:55 | |
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That makes sense, Jen. I actually didn't know you weren't privy to user information, which would make it much more complicated. |
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Reply by: GunHolder at Jan 05, '22 11:58 | |
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This response should be slightly sarcastic but please take it in good humor, as this is a joke. (I can't believe I have to do this now) Gunholder have you considered reading the updated rules? https://mafiareturns.com/comm/thread/1537747
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Reply by: Jen at Jan 05, '22 12:02 | |
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My next character StaffLimitationKnower will be much more well-versed |
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Reply by: GunHolder at Jan 05, '22 12:05 | |
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Gunholder I mean that is one way to ensure I never ping you in reply. But good, you're gonna learn today boy!
Also want to blanket address the comment Feowyr made -
Every post that is deleted gets a reason given before the action is processed. I am going to speak to Squishy regarding these as I thought they were sent to the personal of the user who's post it was, but it appears this function is not working properly. Until this is implemented/fixed/whatever should you be curious about why posts are removed feel free to reach out to myself or Helpdesk who can provide an answer. |
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Reply by: Jen at Jan 05, '22 12:14 | |
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I think it would be an excellent idea for people to get a notification when their post is deleted.
Not every post gets a notification when it is removed. I have had to write in to bother staff asking why I had posts removed in the past. So not every post removed gets a notification. Jen you even helped me with some of these saying that I should have gotten a notification and you would look into why I didn't. I never heard back. |
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Reply by: AliceLiddell at Jan 05, '22 15:04 | |
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To my knowledge the reason given is for the Admins, not the users, on the back end side of things Jen. I agree though, a heads up to the user would be good. I appreciate we dont all have time to reach out to users and explain each step all the time, ordinarily I will mail a user and tell them why their post was removed, or sometimes even mail them asking to make a copy of it before I remove it, so they can have a copy to make their necessary amendments to. As I say though, we dont always have time to do this as we all have lives and in many cases our own characters too to enjoy being on. And even though its been covered, thanks for that Jen, it is indeed plagiarism GunHolder. Anything in the streets is made by the character, not the user. So another character repeating their words isnt' acceptable and should be quoted, re-using an entire thread could and often is meant with much further punishment than just being deleted, especially when the user has been told on several occassionsa and previously Admin jailed on previous characters for the same issue. But like Jen said, we dont have access to such info, so I base that opinion on the latter aspect as a user myself rather than evidence on a staff basis, so I didnt punish or push for further punishment for this plagiarism as it would require investigating by the likes of Squishy and he has much better things to deal with. |
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Reply by: Warrior at Jan 05, '22 16:49 | |
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Reply by: Feowyr at Jan 05, '22 22:38 | |||
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I had a big rant about how other posts I took time to write last night are now gone. I hope this post helps make a change since I feel like my only options are to bother helpdesk every time I post something to make sure its going to pass the scrutiny of whoever is stalking my stuff or do it somewhere else. *cue up the incredible hulk outro music and walk away* was the final line of that rant. |
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Reply by: Feowyr at Jan 05, '22 23:08 | |
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Literally my job
Because its yet another thread you just copied and pasted thus against the rules. |
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Reply by: Jen at Jan 06, '22 01:15 | |
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This has been happening for years. Post get deleted without a mail. Warrior is actullay the only person to ever mail me when my post was removed. I do notice there is 0 accountability here on all sides. Warrior tells him he should have messaged him in private to handle it. Its's to my understanding that you guys should have mailed him when it was removed as jen stated that's what she was under the impression happens. Jen blames a function only you guys have access too . I mean at what point do we just do better? Same with gun holder bro if your not new you know whatsup cut the bs.
You guys give me headaches 😡. |
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Reply by: Pablo at Jan 06, '22 02:54 | |
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The stalker I mentioned is not staff, you are correct Jen you are just doing your job. |
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Reply by: Feowyr at Jan 06, '22 08:50 | |
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I'm not sure if that was a joke or your not getting it Feowyr. You cannot copy and paste the same thread into each city business district and simply change the title. | |
Reply by: Warrior at Jan 06, '22 19:55 | |
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