Mad-Hatter's BG's pushes through the crowd of spectators,  to make room for him to pass. He walks over to his boss, Don QuintenTarantino. He waits patiently for Don Frank_Sinatra to finish before he speaks.

Here is the deal, I was in my office when I got the call about one of our Associates being Gunned down. Contacting the Boss, he was upset with good reason. People can say what they will, usually they do. Quinten cares for each and every Associate and Brother/Sister inside the Dynasty walls. One trait the Boss has that makes him great; his ability to listen and is willingness to go the distance to work problems out. Anyone who has known him for more than 2 days would honestly probably know this.

The Hatter takes a large sip of his tea; he hands the Tea Cup to Archer before finishing.

Now that was needed, now where was I? Oh yeah.

There is a rule we all live by; it's not shooting at sponsored members. Out of the goodness of his heart he still looked past this and spoke with them as willing to have a sit down; to make things right. He was willing to take a large loss in his investment to smooth things out and over look the mistake which most would be killed for. But when a request for an apology came from Queens, that was one too many forms of Disrespect. When Don Lex_Luthor backed her decisions, Mr. Luthor tried to justify everything Veronica was doing simply because she showed her sorrows for actually taking the shot. Obviously, Lex was disappointed in the resistance from Detroit, and his emotions followed with it.

Lex and Quinten were friends, which is the reason for the approach to be settled directly in the first place. Where Lex made his mistake, was when he decided make it seem Quinten was at fault for being upset for him losing his Associate.

Anyone who believes we wanted a war is wrong. We had no choice but to put business on hold at home, which put us behind ourselves. I wish no bitterness towards the fallen and wish they rest in peace.

Mad Hatter taps QuintenTarantino on the shoulder.

We should get back home sir.

Mad-Hatter, You guys do not know when to just drop it do you?

I wasn't going to bother to respond on the behalf of my Father but after reading three responses from people full of crap I have decided that I will nitpick yours because you clearly think you know something.

To: QuintenTarantino
From: Lex_Luthor
Sent: Jun 28, '13 20:08
Subject: I didn't appreciate this, lex.
I don't really see how Veronica is in the wrong. She apologized multiple times and the guy carried on. People feel different ways in different situations and while a mistake did happen and they do happen I don't really see how Veronica is in the wrong.
While I do not feel an apology is necessarily needed and nor do I expect one, at the same time saying you don't appreciate this to me as if she was disrespectful is unreal. She felt bad enough about shooting him on accident and apologized multiple times. Sympathy being shown here for somebody who is very upset about their mistake would be a nice thing to do here.
She paid out of her own money for the mistake she did and gave what you requested without an if, and, or but. I would say she did her job in compensation and the rest of it is just feelings. We all have them and I do not see a problem with the way she handled this nor handled a mail being sent to her out of anger after an explanation and multiple apologies were given.

This is my fathers first mail to Quinten in which you can obviously see that there is no disrespect in that. There is me explaining I did not feel she was in the wrong by asking for an apology when she felt she was disrespected. You feel that Lex_Luthor disrespected Quinten when my Father didn't feel the same way. Veronica felt she was disrespected in the same sense and you didn't feel the same way yet that part doesn't matter?

Now while I only have specific parts of the mails I found from my Father's logs I don't have another part to show but I do have this and I will explain the other part in a minute.

To: VeronicaCorningstone
From: QuintenTarantino
Sent: Jun 28, '13 19:40
Subject: Killing Gear24
You see you chose a bad person to do that to, that man was on info and was on his way to maxing a gun.

This is the kind of attitude that was shown to VeronicaCorningstone. She "chose" a bad person to do that to? Really? It wasn't chosen it was a mistake. She felt bad about it as it was and reading mails like that surely did not help.

The mail I do not have due to it not being in the logs is when Veronica asked for an apology because SHE felt disrespected by the kin of Gear24 Quinten said that she was in no position to request apologies. Now let me get into this for a minute. Quinten is an acting Godfather, Veronica was a Crew Leader.  The kin of Gear24 is not the person that Veronica shot. The attitude shown from him to her and the constant anger and continuing the same subject to her could of been seen as disrespect and she was in her full rights to ask for an apology from the guys kin which she did nothing to.

Now let me move on to something else that myself and others have thought is kind of odd. Gear24 was a 7 day Earner with 15 units, yet you say that you put 36 credits into this guy? Now I look at his kin and he is a like 3 day old Gangster with 5 units. Yet you say you invested into this guy? Maybe you did and maybe you didn't that is for you to know and I don't really care to find out but it is definitely fishy and if you put 36 credits into this guy to max, I hope you were shooting for him also.
 

To: Lex_Luthor
From: QuintenTarantino
Sent: Jun 28, '13 20:19
Subject: I didn't appreciate this, lex.
What I find unreal is she is expecting an apology from gear for expressing that he was mad for being shot.
how the hell would you feel if you got shot and isn't honestly say anything disrespectful aside from "I'm not happy"
I understand he said sorry, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the fact that she was negligent for checking her targets on the IA list.
im not trying to drag this out more than it needs to be, but she needs to lean when to take heat forthings when it's her fault, and I'm honestly a bit disappointed in you for trying to say everything is ok because she apologized multiple times, sorrows don't make accounts come back, you of all people should know that severe.

Now let me nitpick this one, you continued to argue, for no reason what so ever. The first two mails sent were enough for you to know that he did not agree with Quinten and felt that Veronica handled the entire situation very well. Yet Quinten's mails continued to bash Veronica even to the point of calling her negligent. This coming from the same guy who has a history of disrespecting funerals upon many other things that people dislike him for.

To: Lex_Luthor
From: QuintenTarantino
Sent: Jun 28, '13 20:46
Subject: I didn't appreciate this, lex.
I wasn't expecting a god damn thing to be done, I brought out convo to your attention to speak to her to just let this blow over, but no: it was assumed that I wanted you to do something to her for asking for an apology.
I'm done with this conversation, half of what you're saying is being twisted from the original meaning. You have a lovely day.

Now lets move on to this one where he says he wanted this conversation to to blow over yet he constantly argued even after my mails sent out which I believe was two which basically just said I didn't have a problem with how she handled it and that I wasn't going to do anything about it with a mail entitled "I Didn't appreciate this, Lex." With a mail title like that sure as hell seems he wanted something out of this many others seem to believe too that with the title of the mails and what he said in the mails it sure seemed like he wanted something out of this.

Another thing I want to say is that Lex_Luthor's RH RonBurgundy was on throughout the entire mails sent and was reading them and giving feedback and he did not see any problems with the way Lex_Luthor handled the situation. Yes there was an argument. Yes there were disagreeing point of views, but was it really enough to ask another city to help remove a district because your feelings got hurt because one point or one district did not agree with you?

Now with all of this being said please do not feel I am "bitter" it took 3 people responding to the air for me to come in here and actually respond and prove a point. I had let this all go for the most part until this time has come up to where 3 people want to pretend as if Lex_Luthor was disrespectful. I think everyone knows Lex_Luthor's bloodline and when he wants to be disrespectful he sure as hell can be and it will be more then enough to cause a death seeing as he did enough to be hated for 2 years straight by being disrespectful.

Now let me move on to something else that myself and others have thought is kind of odd. Gear24 was a 7 day Earner with 15 units, yet you say that you put 36 credits into this guy? Now I look at his kin and he is a like 3 day old Gangster with 5 units. Yet you say you invested into this guy? Maybe you did and maybe you didn't that is for you to know and I don't really care to find out but it is definitely fishy and if you put 36 credits into this guy to max, I hope you were shooting for him also.

Yes, in fact it is very possible for people to be invested into and for them to shoot like this, I am very privy to admitting I have a very good vision and I was on my way to a very extraordinary gun in this thing of ours within only a short few days.

If you are like most people around here, you know what it is like to go hard on the streets working your eyes to the point or no return to only be wrongfully killed. It's no wonder the man doesn't wish to go down this road again. 

A fishy part I see, is why do you only have part of the conversation you and I had?... did you seem to only save the messages where you weren't showing hostility?... all I see is the parts where you opened up our conversation with your thoughts on the matter, and not your actual responses as to why I was making comments to this nature. I think it's safe to say, you were being disrespectful and being a bit too steady with your approach on the situation.

If you really want me to bring out what your father was saying to me, in order to get me to the point of where he was, I will. Your father, automatically assumed I wanted you to do something to Veronica for her attitude towards myself and my family. You still see that I can tell.

You father and I were friends who spoke on multiple occasions about multiple events, I expected him to read the correspondences between Veronica and I, and act upon them to show her that she indeed made a mistake and needs to look past the view of when someone says to the literal terms of "I am still not happy about it". An apology isn't quite needed from her at that point. When I told you father I didn't appreciate it, that's what I meant was exactly that. We all know Veronica was a new Crew Leader, I was trying to tell you what she was saying would piss off quite a few people, as you can see the reasoning between this war was a torn emotion between many, meaning they can see why The Dynasty chose this route.

Yes there was an argument. Yes there were disagreeing point of views, but was it really enough to ask another city to help remove a district because your feelings got hurt because one point or one district did not agree with you?

This is the mafia, when you have a heated argument with someone, what do you expect to happen? Your fathers district was on thin ice already with the killing of my Associate, learning to take things on the chin as far as someone saying "I'm not happy about this", should honestly be expected.

I'm not trying to say you're bitter at all, I just simply think you refuse to see certain lights of your mistakes, and are oh so willing to take my emotions completely out of hand. Things didn't get seriously heated between your father and I until he refused to accept that Veronica was maybe being a little too emotional; people make mistakes. We are all very aware of this, but that doesn't grant people to come back and deem themselves a victim when someone simply says, "I'm still not happy about this".

Quinten,

I just told you they came from logs in which my Father only sent mostly his responses and one that had Veronica's name mentioned in it. You continued to fight back to somebody who did not feel that Veronica was in the wrong. She felt disrespected and Lex_Luthor came to you and told you he did not feel an apology was needed but Veronica did, he did not push the issue, nor did he agree with her in the sense of an apology being needed. Despite that you continued to argue an invalid point.

You say all I showed were the parts where I was respectful? So you are now admitting that in the beginning Lex_Luthor was more then respectful enough and the only time the argument got "heated" was after you continued to push it on and on and on just like the kin of Gear did. You could not let it go and you continued to throw insults in there like shown about you calling Veronica negligent.

You also bashed her in a mail to her before you ever came to me which I responded to in the nicest way possible. You just said you didn't want me to do anything to her, but then you just said you wanted me to tell her she made a mistake which she didn't make. So in reality you did want something from me. You wanted Lex_Luthor to tell Veronica she was in the wrong which means your mail sent to him did indeed have meaning and something you wanted out of it.

You have completely proven my point and your thread title itself is misleading just like your mail title was misleading. This title here should of said and I quote "Queens taken down by Detroit with help from Philadelphia and Paul_Klint."

You talk about effective war plans? Is it really that hard to plan the death of an offline Crew Leader, an offline Right Hand, an offline Left Hand and VeronicaCorningstone who was one of the only ones online?

I just told you they came from logs in which my Father only sent mostly his responses and one that had Veronica's name mentioned in it. You continued to fight back to somebody who did not feel that Veronica was in the wrong. She felt disrespected and Lex_Luthor came to you and told you he did not feel an apology was needed but Veronica did, he did not push the issue, nor did he agree with her in the sense of an apology being needed. Despite that you continued to argue an invalid point.

That still doesn't make sense as to why you didn't have access to what you have said. At all. You came out posting everything I said, but not your father; which is a lop sided conversation. You did indeed tell me you didn't believe an apology was in order, however you kept pushing the issue as if I actually wanted you to act. I don't really consider an idle conversation about a mistake and the emotion they may be overseeing as a real punishment or action, I call that leadership; which is what your father was supposed to be putting out. You just told me you don't think an apology was in order, and didn't see how Veronica was in the wrong. VERONICA JUST SHOT A MEMBER OF MINE; that's where she was in the wrong. She didn't say a damn thing wrong to Gear either, where she went wrong was giving the hostility and the request for an apology.

 Had you simply left it at, and told me that you were going to speak to her to have her guided the right direction, instead of trying to explain into it further nothing would have happened. You didn't tell me you would speak with her, you didn't tell me you were sorry for the attack either, all you did was imply I was there to bash her and try to see sparks fly. Anyone who has known me for 2 seconds will realize I am not one for war mongering of bullying around, I enjoy friendships until the very end. 

Stating that I was trying to bash on her for something that she initially already admitted, is redundant. Veronica told me she didn't check her vision before shooting. I don't see how I am bashing on someone who has already admitted to completing those actions, all I was doing was using my points of action as to why I was reacting the way I was, just like how anyone else does in a conversation.

You say all I showed were the parts where I was respectful? So you are now admitting that in the beginning Lex_Luthor was more then respectful enough and the only time the argument got "heated" was after you continued to push it on and on and on just like the kin of Gear did. You could not let it go and you continued to throw insults in there like shown about you calling Veronica negligent.

What I was meaning by that sir, was the initial mail i sent you had your thoughts, you keep saying Gear "kept pushing"... he literally had 3 responses with Veronica that were 1 lines of, "I am not happy about this"; "I am still not happy, I worked hard to get where I was."

I'm sorry but all he did was let her know, multiple times, that he was unhappy about dying. I'm not sure how many times I have to say that. He didn't bash her, he didn't tell her she smelled funny; hell the man didn't even ask her for anything other than an explanation of why she did it.

You talk about effective war plans? Is it really that hard to plan the death of an offline Crew Leader, an offline Right Hand, an offline Left Hand and VeronicaCorningstone who was one of the only ones online?

Once again, I would call this a mafia move :/, if you've noticed; most wars on these shores happen when people are in their sleep to ensure no backlash damage hits them. It's called strategy. I already admitted to almost letting a stray bullet land on her back while your father and I were conversing, but as you know; that's not the best strategy to start a war. 

Quinten,

You bashed Veronica in a disrespectful manner in your mail to her and calling her names yet that doesn't matter does it? You said it but because it was you who said it it wasn't disrespectful? You have double standards.

Now with that being said lets look at the basis of your mail to me. Your mail sent to me was attached with your conversation to Veronica, your mail sent to me was the basis of what Veronica said, not her shooting Gear but what she said to you and how you felt about her one simple request which was entirely up to you to deny.

Now let me make one thing clear, Compensation was already paid by the time you sent me that mail, that situation was over. She shot Gear, she paid compensation and that part was over. Our subject at hand was how Veronica spoke to you and what you requested and once again you just said you wanted me to have Veronica see the errors in her ways of asking for an apology. So once again you did want something from me but something I was not willing to tell her and that is why you tried to pull this disrespectful card as a reason to take me down.

Let me now get back to another part of Gear24. He said he worked hard, I could not play for 7 days and have more units then he had slacking off for a week and only gaining 15-19 units whatever number he actually had. Yes I am being an asshole now why? because he was an asshole to Veronica in the first place by saying he worked hard when credits were GIVEN to him for ranges, and he had nothing of units significance to show him working hard at all. I honestly even wonder if you actually put any credits into him because it appears to me that if you were really trying to teach this guy how to be a great player you might want to start with how to get units so he can make his own money, or were you going to continue to pay his 8 credits every 4 days for MIA's?

You said you and Lex_Luthor were friends, you are right they were, and despite the many mails to Lex_Luthor about how "Sticks" is I let it all run past and at the end of the day its sad to say I should have listened to these people. You have prove to me your real colors in this entire street argument here by avoiding anything that was attached to you.

At the end of today you have proven to me that what everyone has said about you is true. I am done arguing with somebody who for now 3 responses has yet to actually respond to anything that is a tough one for you to explain. While I on the other hand answered everything you wanted and now am not going to answer anymore as I do not feel the need to respond to somebody I do not hold any care for.

Have a nice life Quinten.

Can the bickering stop now?! Q made a decision that was for the benefit of the family. Yes some people died.  May those  who fallen in rest in peace.  

You bashed Veronica in a disrespectful manner in your mail to her and calling her names yet that doesn't matter does it? 

Calling her negligent for her admitting that she wasn't paying attention, is literally just telling her what she told me. That isn't having double standards at all.

Now let me make one thing clear, Compensation was already paid by the time you sent me that mail, that situation was over. She shot Gear, she paid compensation and that part was over. Our subject at hand was how Veronica spoke to you and what you requested and once again you just said you wanted me to have Veronica see the errors in her ways of asking for an apology. So once again you did want something from me but something I was not willing to tell her and that is why you tried to pull this disrespectful card as a reason to take me down.

I dont think we really need to make anything more clear anymore dude, we've beat these damn reasons to the dirt now. No compensation wasn't ALREADY paid when she was asking for the apology, the compensation came AT THE SAME TIME, as the apology; implying that because she paid compensation, she deserved the apology for my associate saying 3 times that he wasn't happy about dying. Once again, you're making people see things that aren't true. You're right in saying I used you not going to her and talking to her about this as a reason; when you have a brand new Leader in this thing of ours, you're supposed to guide them into not having things like this happen; especially when someone tells them "I'm not happy about dying". If she couldn't handle a simple "I'm not happy"; how the hell do you think she would handle some of the heathens we have on these shores that absolutely are ruthless about things?

Let me now get back to another part of Gear24. He said he worked hard, I could not play for 7 days and have more units then he had slacking off for a week and only gaining 15-19 units whatever number he actually had. Yes I am being an asshole now why? because he was an asshole to Veronica in the first place by saying he worked hard when credits were GIVEN to him for ranges, and he had nothing of units significance to show him working hard at all. I honestly even wonder if you actually put any credits into him because it appears to me that if you were really trying to teach this guy how to be a great player you might want to start with how to get units so he can make his own money, or were you going to continue to pay his 8 credits every 4 days for MIA's? 

So now we are deducing a "good member" to how many units they possess? We're not deducing that someone can't be a loyal hard working hitter and not fly through the ranks over night? The man was barely getting used to these shores before deciding to go barreling into working the streets in the petty shops and disease infested prostitution rings that we have here. Besides, maybe I would've kept investing, who are you to judge me on whom I invest into, in my family?...

You have obviously shown that you don't agree with why you were taken out, others... don't have that same view. 

Have a nice life, Severe.

How is that supposed to stop the bickering exactly? 

You have obviously shown that you don't agree with why you were taken out, others... don't have that same view. 

"Others also share the same view of the late Severe. Not to rock the boat or anything, but I thought it would be best to make that clear."

Insomniac smiles and respectfully shakes the hand of Quinten, Remy and a few others in the crowd before departing.

Hanging his head in shame McDermott can't help but feel completely puzzled. 

So let me get this straight. A crew leader shoots another families member and should live? I understand QuintenTarantino received compensation. However, this is a crew leader we're talking about. Shooting a sponsored family member and blaming it on not double checking the inactive list. 

McDermott starts to look around.

So many of you are bitching at the fact that we killed the Made Men and above over what transpired. Yet you're cool with a crew leader saying "Oh, my bad. I didn't realize you were in a family." Are you kidding me? Crew leaders are suppose to be the role models for young mafiosi. 

Then to make matters worse she expects an apology from the son of the man she gunned down. Unless I missed something the son never said "You fucking bitch, I'm gonna kill you for that." He simply expressed that he was upset about his fathers death. Whether it be multiple times or not. 

Now, I get that compensation was paid. I completely understand that's suppose to make things turn into water under the bridge. Though Lex_Luthor agreeing with VeronicaCornigstone. Not seeing that a leader, his auth, just killed a sponsored mafiosi. 

McDermott rubs the bridge of his nose. 

I have no ill feelings to those that died. I've told their child that personally. If I haven't it's because I haven't seen them. 

Looks around at what few mafiosi are probably still listening. 

By the way. Those of you that came out here spatting off at the mouth about a protection order should be ashamed. Then taking it one step further calling QuintenTarantino out about being able to enforce it. What a complete fucking joke. It amazes me that although you don't agree with the war would act that way. 

One thing is for sure. When it comes to the way some of you act on matters like this I can't help but think to myself that this world deserves a better class of criminal. 

"He simply expressed that he was upset about his fathers death. Whether it be multiple times or not."

That right there means the issue was never resolved, correct? If it was decided between the heads and the CL in question, the nobody should move the fuck on and keep his mouth shut. Control your own before you work on controlling others should be the motto.

I never said he was in the right. Though don't take that out of context. Weigh the fact that crew leaders are suppose to be role models. Had she apologized to him, paid QuintenTarantino and that be it. Queens would probably be standing still. Though, she requested he apologize when she was in the wrong the entire time damn near. 

Either way. The past is the past. All I'm asking is that people realize no one had to give an explanation of this war. We didn't have to offer protection to wise guy and below. But we did both of those things. 

Nonetheless, I rather we stop discussing this and allow the fallen to rest in peace. As stated I have no hard feelings with those that were killed. In fact I talked to Lex_Luthor on a rather frequent basis. Frequented his coffee shop as well. His son and the kids of those that died hold their own path. I wish them luck and should they ever need help I hope they're not afraid to ask. 

As someone who was not involved in this I'm curious about something. I may be new to these shores but in my time here I was taught you'd be respectful of crew leaders if you have an issue you bring it up to your CL and they can speak to the other cl about it which if this son had done there could have been quite a few less deaths. 

yes Remy but Quientin had already handled the situation when he began complaining so.. in turn it was handled and he continued

I get that but the associate should've taken up the grievances with Queintin instead of with Veronica that's how I was always taught to do things around here it's just respect plain and simple isn't it?

yes it is he should have never directly complained to Veronica.

I would like to be perfectly clear I am not trying to stir the pot I'm just stating that from how my family has learned to do things in our way of life that this seemed like a lot of people lost their lives for nothing and that this could've been fairly easily avoided.

Yes I would also like to point out that im not either... but yes Remy if Gear hadn't have went complaining and Veronica and Lex would have been a little more respectful towards Quienten all those lives lost would have been avoided. But, sometimes there is nothing big it is the little things that amount and then explode!

I find this amusing that you two are talking of complaining. Lex_Luthor I believe had an ancestor shot in a mistake and he, as you put it, complained about it a few times. Maybe not in the streets, but I don't see Gear in the streets complaining either. A person is not likely to be happy being shot by a CL who should have known better, are they? Probably not. Only natural to express an irritation or disappointment with it.