Enkindle, I'm not saying that you have already alter gun stats or else in the past, but when you start to mess around characters data, at least some people will think about it, as a possibility, as a "perhaps", because wackstats (for example) is just an other number in a database you've just altered  by demoting someone... and it was not really necessary at the end of the day (the person is already punished anyway). Administrators messing with that on a case by case basis... I don't think it's very wise.

And thinking this is normal to just demote a godfather from the game and to plan to use it more in the future ? Well...

It just feels extremely wrong to me. For some people, it's just worst than a admin wack. You are just negating a good share of their work, and saying to them "you want it back ? Eh, work for it *again*, good luck". How is that even relevant to the problem - you really think this is a good punishment, on top of the rest ? Again, it just feels as an extra low blow to someone, especially when it happens on a case by case basis. I don't see the point of flagellating someone who's already imprisoned.

But even without that particular aspect, it's just a mess from the RP point of view, and in general, in game politics/etc : you've just said it yourself, you must clean the city rules, clean the rank and other things... and most importantly, it changes the dynamics/balance of the game even more, modifying more things than necessary. The jail in itself already has heavy consequences. There's no need, for me, to add an extra layer of that.

When you jail someone, it is as a last warning before death. That, or you just admin wack them. Removing a part of their work and, in a way, ruin a good share of their character, when you think it didn't deserve an admin wack to start with... is weird to me. And altering even more aspects of the game while doing so... It sounds wrong, simply. 

I'll be the first to admit that I don't see eye to eye with Squishy on a lot of things, but I fail to see how "Don't threaten to shoot a Helpdesk's player account if they won't do something for you on their Helpdesk account" is, you know, controversial.

Joking or not, just don't do it. There are a lot of jokes that people make and get in trouble for - see "Richards, Michael" "Buress, Hannibal" or "Carr, Jimmy" for examples. "But it was a joke" isn't a defense. It never was. If someone thought you were serious, that's ALL THAT MATTERS. Not that you thought you were making a joke, that they felt that their player account would be killed unless they did something for you. 

Rule #1 in life: Don't be a dick. Threatening to kill someone if they don't do what you want, whether you're joking or not, is being a dick. End of story.

Maybe so Vodquila But your own Crewleader who you gave everything to despite the many choices he had around him to give that HQ to?

That, frankly, makes it worse. It's not just "someone" threatening to kill you over you not using your Helpdesk account to help them, it's your city's GF. A person with a ton of influence and power over you, who - whether explicitly or not - is taking the stance of "Well, I gave you power, now it's your turn to help me out" as well as a threat to kill them if they don't.

I've seen some logs, and from them I must conclude that it was indeed a joke. Now, it appears Spike didn't see it as joke probably, but both he and Ace gave out some ''lols''.

If Ace only said ''I'm going to shoot you if you don't do this.'' I would understand that Spike didn't see it a joke. But Ace said he would kill the account AND the HD account and that he would get adrenaline. We all know HD accounts can't be killed, and lols were exchanged after that. To me it was clear it was indeed a joke. 

I don't know Ace well or anything, but I know he can be a bit of a troll and I defo saw that it was a joke from those logs. 

But that's just me.

The guy was joking with his own crewleader.

No need to drag him or his name through the mud, when 99% of you don't know fuck all about the context of what he said, or the manner. I've said to Morty plenty of times that I'm going to kill him and his helpdesk account. Gonna hold it against me? That's what friends do, joke around with each other. Clearly not serious, but I'm close enough with Morty to where we would laugh about it. 

No need to try and make the guy look like shit though, especially when he was kidding around. I'm sure he feels bad enough that his kidding around has escalated to this shit. 

the only reason that ace is in admin jail is that the convo he had with the other person thought it enough of a threat to bring it to the admins, obviously it wasnt in a jokingly manner otherwise the person who brought it forth wouldnt have brought it forth

You know it all, TripleDeuce. Please share some more your intellectual experience with us. 

TripleDeuce, it was in a joking matter. Ace was clearly under the impression his bond with Spike was close enough to be joking about stuff like this, but clearly not. I consider some people my friends on here, and if they sent stuff like this to me I would know immediately if it's a joke or not. As I've said, I am not close to Ace. I have however seen logs and even I was able to gather it was a damn joke. If you can't see your GF is trolling/joking when you're supposed to be quite close to him...

I don't even know anymore.

alls im saying is if it was seen as a joke why bring it to the admins? i guess the other person in the convo seen it as a threat

everyone is pointing the finger to the wrong person IMO the finger should be pointed to whoever presented the logs to warrant Ace getting jailed

i have read all the replies but what i dont see is people calling for the person who brought the logs forward to be punished for wasting admin's time with a obvious joke