The most mind-boggling thing to me isn't that this coup was attempted, but the outrage displayed by the kin of the slain conspirators.

This is the Mafia, so a certain level of betrayal and treachery is to be expected. Behind closed-door meetings and plots and schemes to remove a figurehead that they perceived to be detrimental to their line of work? Nothing too out of the ordinary, historically speaking. Yet the conspirators obviously had to know they were taking a risk by planning such a move, thus the cloak-and-dagger meetings in coffeeshops privy only to certain people. If failure wasn't a strong possibility, it wouldn't be considered a risk. They took the risk and were killed for it. That's why it's called a risk. Roman has taxed the bloodlines of the conspirators by banishing them from any positions of power while he is in the position to do so. So unfair. Boo hoo. This is not unheard of in This Thing of Ours. Not by a long shot.

(Since this whole conversation has lapsed in and out of in-game speak, I'll use a modern real-life example of how this has been precedented in The Mafia. Take Sal Merlino from Philadelphia. When things turned sour between he and Nicky Scarfo while Sal was serving as underboss, he was petrified to leave his house. The order was out that Sal was to be killed. His son, Joey Merlino, was marked for death as well and spent his days in fear of being wacked by the ruthless Scarfo organization. Mind you, Joey Merlino's only offense to the Scarfo organization was being related to Sal, who had fallen out of favor with the Boss. He was never to hold any position of prominence in the organization, and at the time was most likely never expected to end up anything other than dead for the 'sins of his father'. Fast-forward a few years, Joey Merlino went on to run the city. This of course wasn't until Scarfo found himself indicted and behind bars, no longer in power. Regardless, a wise guy from the corner never expected to do much of anything played his cards right and eventually beat the odds and came to power. Take that for what it is worth, if you want an RP/realism context to consider. In MR terms and the so-called 'bloodline hunting' supposedly being demonstrated, I can think of two people offhand in the year I have been playing who have been victims of bloodline hunting, both of whom have risen to positions of authority through their own cunning despite their bloodlines, so again the 'woe is me' argument of being unfairly treated is defeated.)

A plan was put into motion by a group of mobsters to change the current hierarchy and put themselves in the driver's seat. Kudos. The plan failed. There were consequences. Such is life. Take your medicine and move on.

Underdog lets out a deep sigh

It amazes me that an underground movement would try and deflect the blame from themselves onto others. As for the Alessia line, having looked at the evidence I must confess I feel an element of sorrow for her. Now my sorrow doesn't fall to the extent that I disagree with the decision taken to shoot Ivy. As a Right Hand person her duty first and foremost is to her leader, and without reporting this movement she failed in that duty.

My sorrow is that she has been well and truly shafted by people she thought were friends, she has been dragged into an underground movement possibly without her deep knowledge and been killed for it. It is those people who should be most ashamed because without a shadow of a doubt YOU GOT HER KILLED.

Finally, my highest level of disappointment is saved for Mr_Mysterious who threw the hand of friendship back in the face of TheDean.

I would like to state for the record i was not being lazy i am currently on holiday

so it is hard for me to do anything while i am in this position i even told Doom, Roman´s RH that i was on holiday.

Slams his drink on the table.. standing up and strolling into the street, listening to people yell and talk.. some making sense, some not..

You know, underground groups run in my blood, and I know if I was getting into some shady shit like it sounds they were, and I got caught, I would be swimmin with the fishes.. easy enough. Does the Godfather really need a reason, other than to see his organization strive.

Or hell lets put it like this.. Say I was the man with the power, and I even heard a RUMOR that you were trying to take over some of my business.. I would execute everyone you know to keep my family and me in power and alive..

Or hell, we are mobsters you might just get shot while your taking your wife to the movie.. all because you took 5k from some chump a few months back and never made it right..

Remember that next time you think its not fair what happened.

Walks over to the casino.. and hits on a 12, busting his hand..

You want to complain about something, well that right there is not fair!

We can all agree that the killing of the conspirators was justified, right? Thats not the issue.

The issue here is blood-line hunting. In my opinion killing ones offspring, or preventing them from becoming upper structure due too their parents sins is ridiculous and a bit extreme. Whose to say they will make the same mistakes. Even if they do, this is the mafia, theres always going to be people plotting the demise of those in power, in order to get power. Threatening any CL who lets them attain MM is just being childish and paranoid.

Thats my two cents.

FrancoDiamonte

The bloodlines of these people will not be bloodline hunted, taht is something i dis-agree with. They are able to join new crews but until they prove their loyalty they cannot be accepted as upper structure. It is down to them to prove themselves and remove the stains they currently have hanging over them.

My feelings in this matter is a rather sad one, one of the people who was killed was a family member.

But bloodline hunting is wrong on any level, but its been said they will not be hunted but rather their sons and daughters  would not obtain any statues of power from being made till they prove themselves loyal.

IF all the family Bosses, all agree to this, then who are we to argue?

This is the mafia, not some commitee with votes. what the  bosses happen say as a whole is law. 

 Just my two cents.

Again... WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MADE MEN!!!???

They are only forbidden to be UPPER STRUCTURE!!!

I think BrustyNutz brought Bloodline hunting up regarding the death of Ivy, it has since been brought up over and over again as though the kin of the deceased will never make it past the rank of gangster.

My blood lines stance on the hunting of Blood lines is well known amongst my peers, it has in the past taken in, when wearing a bold suit, the blood line of the godfather of Chicago when others were hunting him down on a regular basis.

This is not something we are seeing here, what we aim to avoid is until proven otherwise the lines of those purged kept from wearing a slanty suit and a deal of thought put into whether these people should be given their button. Past events and hearing comments of people on hear, the vows that you take when becoming made are not to be taken lightly like some apparently will do.

When you become a made man you are committing yourself to your family, you are expected to uphold the principles of Omerta. You are certainly not supposed to keep from your boss secrets that your friends in other families intend to kill him.

After hearing all the world speak, JesTer walks to the centre stage and stares back at the crowd !!

A lot has been said , infact the highest number of people have spoken today on one issue and out of all this I would just like to make one point and that is, " that it is the cl's duty to ensure safety of his own crew and a God father's duty to ensire the safety of his entire city, and for this he will make sure that even tiniest of waves are taken care of that might damage his boat and ultimately endanger the lives of those that are with him on the boat.

And thats exactly the best decision that Godfather Roman took today by removing even the tiniest threats for his city, and most probably for this world.

And those who are whinning about all this then boy think before what ever you do, because you and only you are  responsilble for your actions, even good (they will give you success) or even bad (they will bring you nothing but falure).

Another winning performance.

You guys are all great.

Cruel your point about blood lining is true.... I would hate to think that you merely promote people to your upper structure as part of their heritage. I for one don't see you as the type of man to do that..... I think it is Roman who made it quite clear he is blood lining these fellows that if they got into an upper structure that families health would be in jeopardy again showing that he is clearly intending to punish the children for their fathers mistakes if you want to call it that.

Good.

Maybe that will stop them from being so stupid in future.

(If these individuals actually made decisions on the basis of their characters, rather than their IRC alias' then they would probably progress a lot further. What I mean by this is that these people are not drawing a line under anything and acting as if they are a new member of our organizations, they are liasing with the same people, acting the same way and effectively treating it as a ressurection.

This cycle is started by an inability to seperate between characters and when you do that, why should those you're attacking not treat you the same way? Act in character, be treated in character. Trying to be a dirty little schemer and then cowering behind the 'oh no that is bloodline hunting' shield is tired, overused and ultimately pointless. Get a grip, get over it. You will probably find the game much more entertaining and enjoyable if you actually restart from time to time.)

From what I've seen is the Alessia bloodline was apart of the efforts in one way or another. Why risk letting any of them get into a position of power just so they could possibly hurt us?

I'm sorry but I don't think that's too wise and completely agree with Roman on the fact that we shouldn't let those of the bloodlines involved get a form of power again.

I think it is Roman who made it quite clear he is blood lining these fellows that if they got into an upper structure that families health would be in jeopardy again showing that he is clearly intending to punish the children for their fathers mistakes if you want to call it that.

I think it would take a special person to think that taking any of these people in the near future into the bosom of your family is a good idea.

The comments of some in this discussion alone shows that they think of friends first before family which I am sure you would agree Batty not the actions of a good right or left hand.

In time with a pinch of good fortune and a fuckton of hard work then maybe they will be seen in an improved light by the powers that be. Who knows stranger things have happened.


Now can someone please ring that bent copper Genie and get him firing up the quattro I feel a few beers coming on

Lou quietly had been watching the crowd grow, listening intently to most of what had been said.  Flicking his cigarette in the gutter Lou adjusted his tie and approached the crowd, feeling that he may have something to say on the matter.

"Ahem, if I may add my two cents here.  It seems that some people's family have a hard time letting go of things.  They were caught red handed and punished accordingly, so what is the problem?"

Lou pointed around at the crowd.

"Everyone here has fucked up one way or another and they learned from it and moved on to do better things.  Rather it seems you are willing to go the opposite route and keep doing the same things wrong, almost like a revolving door of idiocy.  Maybe it is time for someone in their family line to turn shit around and try another route and pray for success.  Either that or like Roman said, it would be ill advised for anyone to actually place any trust in these individuals as they have shown time and time again what they do with said trust."

Having said his peace Lou took a few steps back, pulling out another cigarette and lighting it up. 

Cruel you approved of this so unfortunatey, yes, you support bloodline hunting. Whether Roman told you he was going to prevent them from becoming upper structure (which in my experience is considered MM Greg, a rank you actually still have to earn). Also, look at Ivy's birth compared to the logs. SHE WASNT EVEN IN PH YET. She didnt have anyone to report to yet and its BS that any of you can actually look at the piece of shit evidence on her and claim she's guilty.

I am pretty sure bloodline hunting is killing the mentioned's sons/daughters. As things stand they have to regain peoples trust, work hard and keep their heads down, then maybe they can be given positions of of upper structure.

Let me ask you this.... How many people have said things in the heat of the moment or thought boy I would like to kill the man who shot me? What I think happened here is a bunch of former leaders got together had a little pity party and said lets get revenge.... Now let me ask you this how would this group think that getting to 100 shot counts would actually do anything I mean these guys were too smart for that which is ironic if Roman looked at that he should go yea those guys are no threat to me and are probably just blowing off steam. But instead it got to make the game more exciting kill off a few people make a big street thread. Play up the martyr role once more. Where these guys really a threat or just goofing around thinking hey wouldn't it be funny if we did it or just were RP'ing it in IRC? Either way it doesn't change what has happened but see the whole thing with Alessia for not saying something is ludacris she knew it wouldn't mount to anything she knew the people there well enough to know it wasn't something they would really do. So you all need to stop dragging her name through the mud for it.... you can twist words or make your own inferences but that is up to you. The thing is Scottie a.k.a Morphine decided that he thought he would get himself ahead in the world after fighting alongside all these men against Roman. Thought he could use it to get back on top again and gave out the info Roman. It obviously worked he is an RHM.  But I mean in the days and weeks of sitting in that room I never saw any true planning or just people saying I want to kill so and so..... I mean really how many people out there don't think on a daily basis I wish I could kill Premeir or Caius or Billy or Melis all names that people have most likely been killed by (except Melis she just likes to get people to shoot her).  How many people have said it in a private IRC room but not had it sent out. So yea you can say what you want twist the words but you don't know the true intent of anyone you have just been shown portions of the logs the ones that make it look the worst. So you can stop monday night quarter backing these folks and Roman should say that if these folks rise to power then so be it.... that character earned the right or they wouldn't be there. Peoples ancestry here should have nothing to do with it. But maybe I fall on deaf ears of the community I do not know but I still think that yes coffee shops are accepted as a place of business but private rooms should be considered like back alley threads not for the public and I think it is wrong to post private messages and logs. You have the information you chose to act on why the need to put those things out there especially if you are not going to proof read it. Obviously that indicates that he didn't even take the time to read them all just saw what he wanted and got to kill a few more people.  So keep the comment coming at least there is one active thread in the streets that has gotten a good percentage of the people in this world into the streets.

I believe Alessia before I believe Roman and I wasnt around but apparently this isnt the first time he's done this. And he does plan on setting a ceiling on them. Why should they be forced to work as WG's? Admit it or not the MUC makes a lot of money which goes towards the CL, BGs, or CDs for shooting MIA's. It's the CL's choice to promote them and threatening a CL for letting one of these people hit made men is tyrannical bull shit. Also, can i get at least one of you three to fess up killing Alessia was wrong. She found out before Ivy was born and then was killed for intending to switch cities... WHY WOULD SHE DO THAT. And dont say because she knew, those logs were from right after they died and everyone gets pissed and talks of killing someone when they die. How the fuck can you take them seriously right after they died.